Showing posts with label atonement. Show all posts
Showing posts with label atonement. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 18, 2014

Rethinking Atonement in Dangerous Ways

All through church history there have been various understandings of the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ, both within the church and without. But for many centuries, many scholars who hold a a high view of scripture have accepted the Bible's teachings on the more legal aspect of the death of God's Lamb as one that satisfies the Holy Wrath of God. 
This has at times been painted as a harsh view of an unloving God. This criticism isn't new. God was seen as harsh in the garden for not allowing Adam and Eve to eat of every tree. To withhold even one good thing from his people was cruel. And then when they did that One Thing, God drove them from the Garden and made them work and put warrior angels guarding the Garden... What a violent God!!  You might notice my sarcasm here. I think it is incredibly arrogant of humankind to judge God's actions, motives, or outcome. Of course, some would say they are not judging God but those who wrote about him so carelessly. They were so steeped in their cultural milieu they could not possibly write the truth. Now in our enlightened age we can sift through the Holy Writ and decipher for ourselves what is to our liking as progressive, educated, truly compassionate human beings; and thereby derive what God should be.Hence this article from Pastor Chuck Queen. (This is only a snippet.)

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Rethinking the atonement

By Chuck Queen Is it possible to understand the saving significance of Jesus’ death in credible, holistic and transformative ways?
Anselm of Canterbury (1033-1109) was the first to expound the theory that Jesus’ death was necessary for the satisfaction of God’s honor. This evolved into the theory of penal substitutionary atonement, perhaps most elaborately developed by Princeton theologian Charles Hodge (1797-1878).
This theory became so popular in Western Christianity that it came to be equated with “the gospel” preached in the Great Awakening, and in more recent times by renowned evangelist Billy Graham.
Today, a growing number of evangelical and progressive Christians are questioning the truthfulness and viability of this theory. Why is this so?
Two reasons are most often given by interpreters. First, it is suggested that this theory of the atonement makes God look small and petty. What kind of God requires the violent death of an innocent victim? And if God demands a violent atonement, then violence must in some sense be redemptive, which a growing number of Christians believe contradicts the good news of God’s nonviolent rule that Jesus proclaimed and embodied.
It is argued that at its worst, substitutionary atonement makes God guilty of cosmic child abuse; at its best, it lacks coherence and common sense. Even Trinitarian formulations that emphasize the union between Father and Son cannot erase the fact that in all versions of substitutionary atonement the bottom line is that God must save us from God.
Another reason this theory is being questioned today is because it reinforces the unhealthy notion that salvation is simply a legal, juridical transaction between the believer and God. According to most versions of substitutionary atonement, our guilt is imputed to Jesus, and his righteousness is imputed to us. As such, it does nothing to nurture authentic conversion and discipleship to Jesus. 
So how might we understand the saving significance of Jesus’ death in more credible, holistic and transformative ways?   
Read the rest here: http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=28460&Itemid=100200#.Uyhv-PldWSp

     I fear for the salvation of one who does not believe that Jesus paid the sin debt with his death. And for one who assumes, that he must be more loving and caring than God if in fact that is the case. What you are not is HOLY as God. And while I am very aware of the varied past of baptist believers, not just the last 40 years but 400, I am saddened that a Baptist, right here in the American South, would deny this aspect of redemption. Explore other concepts concerning the redemptive death of Christ? Certainly. Attribute Biblical thought strictly to an Anselmic 'straw-man' and then debunk it? Tragic.

"Violence must in some sense be redemptive." What a logical leap. Death is redemptive given the precise parameters and setting. But, hey lets call it 'violence' and so play on the popular horror of all things violent. (Maybe we can work in Columbine and Sandy Hook.)

"...it reinforces the unhealthy notion that salvation is simply a legal..." No it doesn't. One aspect of it is legal. Its not complicated, its varied and nuanced. There is plenty in the gospel story about the relationship, the oneness, the indwelling empowerment aspects of redemption. To see that an Old Testament model was fulfilled in the redemptive death of Christ, that propitiated, is a belief pre-Anselm.

There are other quotes I could deal with but I'll let you readers discover other faulty assumptions from his article.

If my reply takes on a bit of 'personal' flavor that is because Mr. Queen is leading people who claim to be believers in Christ, and I trust they are, but leading them away from the Jesus of scripture and I find that reprehensible. Even with all his compassionate and erudite language, rejection of the salvific death and payment of debt owed to God for sin is a tragedy.

The Bottom-line is, "God must save us from God." Who else possibly could? He is God, we are not. There is no merely human champion who can argue in God's court, fight in God's arena, out-compassion God in a situation where compassion would be the game changing attribute. Unless he is the human born, divine Son of God. Who is every bit as Holy and Loving as the Father who loved the world so much that He sent Him to die...  In, Our, Place.

Clark Dunlap is pastor of First Baptist Smithfield, North Richland Hills, Tx. An Historic Southern Baptist Church. And Author of The Faith Once Delivered to the Saints; Don't Just Survive, Thrive (An Exposition of 1st Peter), and other books available at Lulu.com.

Chuck Queen is pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Frankfort, Ky., and author of Being a Progressive Christian (is not) for Dummies (nor for know-it-alls): An Evolution of Faith.

Saturday, March 30, 2013

If Jesus said "It Is Finished", Why the Resurrection?




This last Wednesday evening at our Prayer meeting we had a really good discussion. The question came up, that we know how to tell people why Jesus died on the cross, but how can we explain why Jesus had to rise again? And we kicked around several really good answers for that.
As a boy, it seemed that the main reason was just to show that Jesus beat the devil! Jesus wins, satan loses, end of story. And it felt good to know that. Boys are little competitive guys and that whole “we win you lose” story appeals to us.
Well, guess what. That’s really not totally off course. There is a sense of defeating the enemy in the work of Christ. In Colossians Paul ties together the death and resurrection of Christ and the giving of eternal life to this: 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
So I’d say yes, there IS victory in Jesus. But I’d like to show you a few more reasons if you have a few minutes on the Great Easter Sunday!
1.   First, To Show He was truly the Messiah. Why does the resurrection of Jesus from the dead show us that he is the Promised Messiah? Because, He did not die for his own sins. He died for our sins, but once he paid for them, he rose again. This also shows he can give life to all who trust in Him Act_2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be held of it. Death could not keep him. He was the sinless perfect man. He was the only one who lived a Righteous life. Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
And this was important enough for Peter to say, Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly. This was for His disciples to see His victory and for the evil powers who thought they had victory.
2.   He rose to give us eternal life.
Paul writes: Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.  We have many verses that state clearly that without the resurrection our salvation is not complete.Listen:
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. And,  1 Co 15: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. AND,
Eph_2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 
Jesus needs to be the Living Risen Savior if we are going to be “In Christ” and in the heavenlies. Jesus must be raised in a New Life if he is to give us a new life. Jesus needs to have conquered Death if we are to conquer death. BUT, I want to show you one more thing: 1Pe  1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
It is the duty of the High Priest to take the blood of the sacrifice into the Holy of Holies! Now I don’t know exactly what Jesus did when he entered the presence of His Father. Remember, Jesus is still the God/man. This was the reunion of Father God and God the Son, but also human and divine. But I know this, Jesus was obedient to death, He shed His perfect sinless blood, and entered Bodily into the very Throne room of His almighty Father- to declare for us that Redemption has been accomplished and Applied! And by This living Christ we have Eternal life, eternal standing in the heavenlies
3.  3rd He rose to defeat death so we could be raised, too.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you. 1Co 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
     Way way back, at the beginning of the story. There was Adam and Eve. They weren't created to die in 70 or 80 years. I think they were made perfectly and given access to the Tree of life so they could eat it and live forever. At least potentially. But they ate fruit from the Other tree, right? And the dream of eternal life with the Father was lost forever. Paradise Lost. But God didn't forget about it. God is preparing a place for us. Not so we can float around like disembodied spirits strumming imaginary harps!
No, but to have glorified bodies. Bodies that interact with things. Bodies that have senses. Bodies that glorify God.
They will be different for sure. Jesus has a glorified body and he appeared in a room whose door was shut. We also know that Jesus ate food, but we suspect He doesn't need to. I don’t think we’ll need blood in our veins. The life of human flesh is in the blood but Jesus said after the resurrection; Luke 24:39 See my hands and my feet? It is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see I have.
But however our bodies 1 Cor 15 is very clear, we will have a very real body.  1 Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, "The first Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
4.   And Fourthly: He Rose to Come again as King of Kings.
I’m going to take us from Paul and Peter who had a lot to say about the resurrection of Jesus, and go to His brother, James.
Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waits for the precious fruit of the earth, and has long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draws nigh.
The First Time: Jesus came as suffering servant. He came to turn the other cheek, heal the brokenhearted, raise a few dead, and preach the Coming of the Kingdom of God!
But Jesus is coming again! Amen?
Jesus is coming again.
Jesus ascended to heaven from a lonely hilltop with a few hundred followers. Jesus is coming again to multitudes of faithful saints!
Jesus, left behind 11 apostles. Jesus coming back to saints from every tribe and every tongue; every color and every race.
He had no form or comeliness that we should desire Him, but when He comes again Every Eye shall behold Him!
We esteemed him stricken of God and Afflicted!
But now God has given Him a name that is above every other name, That at the Name of Jesus…

That AT the Name of Jesus…

That at the NAME of Jesus…

That at the name of JESUS…

That at the name of Jesus… Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
To the Glory of God the Father.

Proclaim Jesus as Lord today. Don’t wait.
Proclaim Him as Lord over your life.
Surrender your sinful life to Jesus.
Beg His mercy and Grace. He is our only hope.
Take Him as your redeemer. He bought your soul with His blood.
Embrace Jesus with your whole heart.









Friday, May 18, 2012

Before the Throne of God

Here's a great hymn, recently re-released by folks like Sonicflood and Shane and Shane, But I was reminded of it in a blog by my friend Kendall Holley over at BroadAcres Baptist in Shreveport. www.bloodandmajesty.com

Just wanted to share it today. This is what hymn writing should look like!

Before the throne of God above I have a strong and perfect plea.
A great high Priest whose Name is Love, Who ever lives and pleads for me.
My name is graven on His hands, My name is written on His heart.
I know that while in Heaven He stands No tongue can bid me thence depart.

When Satan tempts me to despair And tells me of the guilt within,
Upward I look and see Him there Who made an end of all my sin.
Because the sinless Savior died My sinful soul is counted free.
For God the just is satisfied To look on Him and pardon me.

Behold Him there the risen Lamb, My perfect spotless righteousness,
The great unchangeable I AM, The King of glory and of grace,
One in Himself I cannot die.
My soul is purchased by His blood, My life is hid with Christ on high,
With Christ my Savior and my God!

Words: Charitie L. Bancroft, 1863.